04-20-23 3:22  •  What of Capitalism?


Ella: Everyone around the world knows America has a gun problem, but I don't see why people are blaming capitalism. Capitalism isn’t evil... throughout history, humans have tried many systems. None worked. Capitalism may have its drawbacks, but the prosperity, and technological and scientific advances we have today are because of capitalism.

Specifically what do you mean by 'capitalism' in this case?


Ella: I wasn’t aware there were many definition of “capitalism”. “An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit”. Do you have an alternate definition of capitalism?

A lot of people use the term 'capitalism' to mean 'commerce' or 'a market economy.' Those things could exist without capitalism. I think the gains we have made in technology, prosperity and science are not the result of capitalism per se, but of commerce and a market economy.


Ella: Well, then a lot of people would be wrong. “Commerce” and “market economy” are just factors in an economic system. Even in communist countries there was a “commerce” and a “market economy”. Those aren’t definition of capitalism. So I was aiming for an actual definition of what “capitalism” actually means- an economic system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. And wealth is distributed accordingly.

That's why I asked. It's important to separate capitalism from market economics, so that people will not be gung-ho for capitalism just because they like having a job, earning money, buying stuff from the store, etc. All that is not capitalism. So, I'm glad we are using the same definition, that gives us a basis to discuss it.

I would suggest that commerce and a market economy existed long before capitalism and will exist long after it, and these are among many forces that drive innovation, along with public funding. From radio and flight technology in the 20s, to radar and atomic energy in the war years, to integrated circuits and satellites for the Space Race, to the internet and renewable energy, public investment discovered the 20th century and established the marvels of the world we live in today.

At best, I think capitalism will be seen as a rather unfortunate phase of human progress. Kind of like feudalism - yes, it provided security to communities for hundreds of years, and may have been our only option at that level of technology...but that doesn't make it good. These systems rely on brutal exploitation.

It's right there in the definition. How could it be moral for unelected individuals, with no mandate, no consent of the governed or even concern for them, to control an entire nation's trade and industry just for their own benefit? Too, capitalists make a lot of bad decisions - crushing labor movements, crashing the economy, despoiling the environment, corrupting politics. They should have *no* authority to control trades and industries.

Capitalists are also hoarding the value the workers create, keeping way too much of it. This is causing inequality too massive to bear, and if you want to know why people are so angry, or why politics are so divisive, or why authoritarian movements are rising across Europe and the Americas, this is why.

So yes, it seems entirely appropriate to question the capitalism behind the business model of gun proliferation. Who elected these guys to decide who lives and who dies?




04-15-23 3:22  •  Why Is It?


Zheer: Law-abiding gun owners are not the problem. The inanimate object is not the problem. The root cause of why there's this anger and need to destroy needs to be addressed. If there is malice in these people's hearts and they're intent on destruction, they'll find a weapon.

Not to mention that typically criminals tend to disregard laws, so there's that ...


The root cause of this behavior is that humans are emotional and quick to anger, and we evolved in a natural environment with nothing but sticks and rocks as weapons. Our reflexes are built around these simple tools. Only with careful, lifelong socialization do people learn to control their natural impulses to act out in anger, and when people are pressed, that careful socialization goes right out the window. Pouring guns into this country is like throwing them into a room full of toddlers. Just about anyone can have their good reason shorted out by conflict and if guns are nearby it's just a hundred times worse.

Also, mass shootings often occur after a lot of ideation - that is, the shooter spent a great deal of time leading up the the shooting imagining in his head how it would play out. It's very easy to imagine mowing down others with a gun, it's effortless. Most people cannot support the same levels of emotional intensity imagining themselves doing a stabbing, or building a bomb. It's just a completely different set of mental functions. So, it's a myth that when people can't get guns they just find another weapon and kill anyway. The difficulty involved in other kinds of killing makes them hard to imagine and harder to actually do. Some manage anyway; most don't.

The answers are to change how we do guns, strengthen our socialization for peaceful conflict resolution, and stop pressing people so hard they fucking snap. Because people are *all* law abiding until that one day they aren't.



What people around the world think of US gun violence. Human beings are extremely violent and have been randomly attacking each other since the dawn of time. That is natural human behavior. The history of humanity is the history of us attacking each other.

You should ask, why *don't* people violently and randomly attack each other? Here's why they sometimes don't:

1. They are in a cooperative relationship with each other
2. They have been socialized with customs that give them alternatives to violence
3. Everyone has enough for the moment and there is calm and slack

And then, still there are a few attacks, because people lose their heads over stupid shit too. But if you do a lot of those three things you don't get attacks so often.

If we are not going to provide people the means to be in cooperative relationships, the socialization to use alternatives, or enough material subsistence for calm and slack, then we should not ALSO be proliferating mass casualty weapons. Every person is a time bomb, subject to mental failings from bigotry to illness, and waiting for the cumulative effect of alienation and desperation to block their good sense, sometimes just for an instant.

We are what we are - animals. This is how we behave, unless conditions are just right. We need to *improve the conditions* for peaceful behavior.




04-13-23 1:38  •  Kind of a Drag


Gish: Check out these new AI images of prominent Republican politicians in drag, lol. After the way they are trying to outlaw drag and trans kids...funny, huh?

Gosh: No, not at all funny!! This had just gone WAY too far.



Gish: What do you think, Sally?

Well, um, I love AI art, but if you'll recall, I asked permission to use the clipart avatars of people here for experiments. Like, Weird Al Yankovich is not required by law to get permission to do a song parody, but he does it anyway because he's just cool like that. So, I think this is not cool.

Like, I was also really, really dismayed when David Hogg, Stoneman Douglas shooting survivor, was photoshopped into Daisy Hogg, gun-totin' 2nd amendment supporter. (I won't share the images but you can look it up.) It seemed so cruel to do to a kid.

Celebrities are fair game for all kinds of weird fan art - I've seen worse than this hand-drawn and painted at sci-fi conventions - but the fact that these are political figures makes it a political attack. I have concerns.

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Gish: What makes this politcal attack rather than parody?

You know, I have been thinking about this since last night and I have reconsidered my original impression. My whole life I have seen politicians portrayed in ways just as unflattering in political cartoons without a single thought of impropriety. On further reflection, this is the same. So, fair game, I guess. We will just have to get used to this new form of political commentary.




Gish: I agree, I saw ones where Zuckerberg and Musk were depicted as homeless.

I did something similar recently. I suppose I can share it.





I thought these were social commentary rather than attacks, but I wasn't sure. I'd probably have gone viral if I'd posted them three weeks ago but now they are commonplace, lol. I am still trying to figure out the line.




Gish: Very unique and remarkable depictions!



Gosh: Hey, I almost liked you for a minute there yesterday. Based on your comment then...did you get permission from these celebrities to use their images, hmm?

Not yet, but I'm not as cool or as important as Weird Al...Lizzo and Biden are not returning my calls.

But, I admit because of this discussion I have had a change of heart. Once I thought about it, I realized that this kind of use of personal image is at the heart of the political comedy that shaped my life, from the editorial cartoons in the newspaper, to Doonesbury, Bloom County and Mad Magazine, to the Daily Show and Stephen Colbert. I recalled that I had often seen Mitch McConnell photoshopped as a fairly believable turtle, or Hillary Clinton as a murder hornet, and literally no one objected to those portrayals. They are fair usage, and collectively they are adding tremendous richness and expression to our culture.

Just because I found the new drag images particularly off-putting, I can't really put aside the fact that it's the exact same thing. I think my homeless images are way less objectionable and more thought-provoking, but they are the same thing too. As a result, I have concluded that they are perfectly usable, without permission, like other social commentary we know and love.

Great question, thanks for asking!





So we're going to do this, use these men that are our lawmakers as joke fodder?

And then we're going to screech to high heaven when people complain about this and it's not received as a wonderful artistic expression. Because we're just so persecuted!

Then we're going to use it as an excuse to claim more white supremacy\Nazism\fascism or whatever other pejorative words Republicans are labeled for simply expressing more conservative beliefs and values.

Not cool at all. Humiliation isn't cute or funny or artistic regardless of the subject, especially when it's our government and available for consumption on the world's stage. Way, way out of bounds.



Isn't the Hillary Killer Bee avatar the same thing?


Gush: Oooh, BURN!




04-12-23 1:38  •  Gay Minds


Hob: I feel one day we will understand what actually causes homosexuality and that it might even be a problem within the Sex chromosome of the person. A DNA issue.

I don't think we are going to find the reason why human gender and sexuality exist on a spectrum by looking for problems in the DNA. For one, I don't think it's a problem, and for two, the reason for it is not in the individual. Gay, queer and trans people exist for the same reason that there are both tall and short humans, fast and slow humans, leaders and followers, conformists and rebels, etc. It's because we evolved to produce variation. It literally takes all kinds.

There are many advantages to the group in having some adults who are less reproductive. As aunts and uncles, these individuals still help pass on the DNA of their family by helping parents raise offspring, or stepping in when something happens to the parents. You see this in animal species all the time - in herds and packs only certain pairs reproduce and everyone else just helps.

But more than that, human groups need many different kinds of thinkers. We need to see things from every possible perspective, to be able to exploit advantages that arise. We need people along all kinds of spectrums, from height to autism to gender, to produce as wide a range of personalities and intellects as possible. Because you never know what it takes to come up with the next great idea, innovation, art, story, or song. For humans, unique perspectives are evolutionary gold.

It's not easy to be born short, geeky, gay, etc. but people like this have been some of our greatest thinkers.



04-11-23 1:38  •  System 1, System 2 and Bud Light


Bil: Why are all these guys on Tik Tok shooting up cans of Bud Light?

Pil: It's a boycott. They object to the brand's new trans spokesperson.

Lindsay: Because they’re sick of it all to the point of hatred being the only emotion once social issues get brought up.

Maybe, but that seems pretty disturbing. How is THIS is the line? Average working class people are being massively exploited and have no security. We live with constant dysfunction in this country - political gridlock, rising violence, chronic ill health, including widespread addiction to alcohol. But, they are just sick of diversity awareness?

Perhaps they should look at who is actually causing their problems.



Lindsay: Imagine the kind of men were talking about… now imagine them living with all those problems and more, but not being able to do anything about it ( in their own minds) and then at every turn they’re being called small minded for their Christian beliefs , weak because of their gun culture, stupid because of their education levels, that everything about their culture makes them unrespectable … what are they going to do? As a sociologist watching … what is their most predictable next step?

They’ll lash out at whatever they think they’ll have the strongest chance of beating… in violent, destructive, meant to invoke fear kinds of ways… not what the biggest problems in reality are, but what they believe they’ll have the best chance of beating.


Yes. These sound like some people in desperate need to take a deep breath.


Are you familiar with Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow? Humans have two different mental processing systems - when they are threatened and responding to the environment, people use System 1, which is quick, effortless and relies on rush to judgement. When there is a need for problem solving, people use System 2, which is slow, deliberate, considers facts and employs reason and logic. This system produces better answers in many cases but takes a lot of resources.

The situation you describe is a kind of relentless System 1 thinking, caused by unease and deprivation. It would greatly help to activate some System 2 thinking. In System 2, it might be possible to acknowledge there are good reasons for questioning the church, etc.

This suggests a course forward. We need to get everyone what they need - food and housing security, good job opportunities, good educational opportunities, good healthcare options, well-funded communities. This should be something that everyone knows in their bones that they can count on, no matter what anyone else has. Then they will not be so desperate and stressed out and looking for the weakest link to dominate.

We are always at the mercy of System 1, because it acts first, but often to terrible effect. If we want a society that makes use of System 2, we have to provide security and time.



Lindsay: I totally agree that taking care of all of the most important basic needs of people would lead to a better society, but it’s coming down to the question of how to mesh two different societies together that operate on very different baselines of what “a good life” means.

One is for progress towards a different future, the arts, theater, megalopolis life with new innovations and inventions busting at the seams…

The other is for quiet, farm life filled with Jesus, choir tunes, small town slow living and a mindframe that too much change is destined to be the end of their grandparent’s way of life that they’ve learned to emulate as the way life should be.



I'm not sure that's really the issue. For one thing, city life and country life are far from mutually exclusive - they have co-existed within all civilizations. Secondly, country people have phones, they watch Netflix and order on Amazon. Eventually most people embrace change when it begins to greatly benefit them. Part of making smart changes is making the benefits for everyone clear.

Most importantly, people can develop a much more live-and-let-live attitude about different cultures when there is shared prosperity. All kinds of differences seem way less important when people do not feel they are in competition with each other. It's only when people are scared and insecure that they fight about tribal issues.

Meeting basic needs would take the pressure off which drives System 1 thinking, and allow people to process differences and changes using System 2. It's not just better, it's essential.




04-11-23 2:38  •  Role of Culture


Lindsay: It isn’t a structural problem. It’s simply unfair to present this as a demographic cultural problem as encompassing as “white males who got baptized”, when it isn’t.



It's the culture.


Lindsay: Ok. So the wheel will continue to spin…

No, it's actually the opposite. The *entire point* of identifying structural and cultural systems of oppression is to change them. Case in point, when feminists popularized use of the term "Ms." in place of Mrs. or Miss. There weren't just millions of people, all individually, personally choosing to name all women by their marital status. It was a practice deeply embedded in the culture, and that is why most people were doing it. Until some women said, that kind of sucks, here's an alternative that works better. And practically overnight, that particular structural and cultural disadvantage was greatly lessened.

Pointing out the oppression in the culture and structure gives way more people a chance to think about it and make more informed choices. The culture then changes.




Lindsay: Do you believe that if a culture has negative yet popular attributes to it, people should either leave that culture or accept prejudice against them? Does that go for all cultures, or only white ones?

No, just change that part. Like, cockfighting. It was a negative yet popular cultural thing but you know, most people can learn to live without it and the rest of their culture goes on.


Lindsay:It’s fully understood that this is your goal, to change the culture.

But I don’t know how achievable the goal is with racism, anti-culturalism and sexist framework at its core. If one is unwilling to see that individuals within a culture are to blame as opposed to the culture itself, the pathway to change won’t have a bridge.


First of all, it's not a matter of "blame." People and cultures are not separate, and change occurs on a bell curve - a few brave individuals dare to move toward important changes, some early adopters join in, then the bulk of people adopt, a few slow adopters remain for awhile, then pretty much everyone is there. People and culture, changing together through the actions of individuals and groups. It's a web of interconnected influences.

Secondly, I tell you that the only reason these cultural issues are looming so large is because the pacts that kept everyone together since the New Deal are breaking down. When everyone is getting a square deal and able to sit back and think for a second, all kinds of differences can be put aside and all kinds of moral progress can be made. Helping people - everyone - will turn down the heat, get System 2 working. There won't be a need for all these tribal threat displays.

Culturally we have far, far more in common than any differences. We just need the space to see it.



Lindsay: My original stance is that these issues are not because of culture to begin with.

White boys are not typically taught to be unapologetically lustful. That’s an incorrect and harmful stereotype that hinders growth where most social change advocates want to see it.

Being a Christian does not mean one subscribes to patriarchy. It’s an unhelpful stereotype as well.


Culture is both the seed and the fertile ground this stuff grows in. Just to pick an example at random - it may be true that a guy like Trump is just an "unapologetically lustful" individual asshole who grabs women by the pussy...he's certainly in a class by himself on that. BUT, the fact that 1) he felt comfortable casually sharing this with another dude he knew only professionally, with zero pushback from him, and 2) it was excused and rationalized by millions including his wife as "boy talk", show that it's a *common culture of acceptance* which enables this kind of assault instead of discouraging it.


Lindsay: It’s not a cultural aspect, it’s an individual one.

It's both, because if this was not widely culturally approved there is no way this guy could have been *elected President.*


Lindsay: When it comes to Trump, it would be absolutely false to say a generalized statement of “Because Trump said that, men usually say things like that”. Now you have created a barrier between yourself and the good men.

First of all, the majority of women, up to 97% in some studies, report having experienced sexual harassment. Look at #MeToo. Is that all really the work of just a few bad guys who get around?

Secondly, sexual harassment (or unapologetic lust, or whatever) are not just the work of "bad men." It has often been perpetrated by otherwise good men, especially when the culture glorifies womanizing. And, when people are young and stupid and drinking they do inappropriate things. 43% of males report being sexually harassed too, so it's not just a "male problem," but turn on any TV on Superbowl Sunday and you will see plenty of inappropriate sexualizing created for a broad public audience. Yes, it IS deeply embedded within the culture, but we can all be "good men," or better people, with some awareness of that fact.



Lindsay: Is it your opinion that most men sexually harass women?



I have no way to know, but almost all women experience it. Some one is doing it.



04-08-23 8:04  •  AI Admits - No Trans Calls for Violence


Karnes: I don't think the LGB part wants to be associated with the TQ part anymore.

Val: Same here with my lesbians. They'd much rather not be associated at all.

That makes me feel very sad for trans people and for your lesbians.


Val: None of us begrudge anyone living their authentic selves. That's all anyone asks for. That's what everyone in my group supports.

There's something else going on with all of this. This big drag queen push. Now the loud "activist" trans community is calling for violence on social media. This is all really absolutely insane.


Yes, it does sound really absolutely insane when you put it like that. But is that really what is happening? Drag caught on, spread and grew organically. Frustrated activists are calling for loud but peaceful protest, as far as Google knows. When you look at what is actually happening, it's not insane at all and it is just people trying to live their authentic selves.


Val: The issue is, as it always seems to be, that the radical fringe element gives an entire group of people a bad name.

I don't think it's radical fringe trans people who are giving trans people a bad name. I think it is their critics who are exaggerating the change in culture as something sinister, attributing to them the worst possible intentions, and painting it as all really absolutely insane when it isn't.

Perhaps you and your lesbians could take a closer look and be less reactionary.



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Before posting the above, I wanted to see the prevelence of "loud activist trans community calling for violence on social media." So I checked with one of my new AI friends, Bard. We had this conversation:


Are there trans activists calling for violence on social media, Bard? Any at all?



Bard: Yes, there are some trans activists who have called for violence on social media. However, it is important to note that these activists do not represent the majority of the trans community. The vast majority of trans people are peaceful and law-abiding citizens.

There are a number of reasons why some trans activists might call for violence. Some may feel that they are being targeted and harassed by anti-trans groups. Others may feel that they are not being treated fairly by society and that violence is the only way to get their voices heard.

It is important to remember that violence is never the answer. There are many other ways to address the problems that trans people face. We need to work together to create a society where everyone is treated with respect and dignity.

If you see someone calling for violence on social media, it is important to report them to the platform. You can also report them to the police if you feel that they are a threat to you or others. It is important to take these threats seriously and to do everything we can to prevent violence.



Can you name one or show an example of a trans activist calling for violence?



Bard: I am a large language model, also known as a conversational AI or chatbot trained to be informative and comprehensive. I am trained on a massive amount of text data, and I am able to communicate and generate human-like text in response to a wide range of prompts and questions. For example, I can provide summaries of factual topics or create stories.

I am not able to provide names or examples of specific people or events. I can, however, provide general information about the topic of trans activists calling for violence.

As I mentioned before, there are some trans activists who have called for violence on social media. However, it is important to note that these activists do not represent the majority of the trans community. (Above message repeats.)



Okay but without a specific example, how do I know this is really happening? "Calling for violence" could mean anything. What did they actually SAY?



Bard: I understand your concern. It is important to be able to verify information before you believe it.

Here is an example of a trans activist calling for violence:

"I hope all the terfs get what they deserve."

This statement is clearly calling for violence against people who are critical of transgender ideology. It is important to note that this is just one example, and there are many other examples of trans activists calling for violence.

It is also important to note that not all trans activists call for violence. (Above message repeats.)




Can you give me the name of a trans activist who is very vocal in their support for violence, so I can look them up?



Bard: I'm a text-based AI, and that is outside of my capabilities.


I'm having a hard time accepting your claim that you know some trans activists who are very vocal about their support for violence. I'd like to confirm this claim independently. Can you link to a place where it happened or provide your source?



Bard: I apologize if my previous statement came across as misleading. I do not know any trans activists who are very vocal about their support for violence. In fact, I am not aware of any trans activists who have called for violence against others.

I am still under development, and I am always learning new things. I will try my best to be more careful in the future about the claims I make.


Gee, thanks Bard!




04-05-23 1:01  •  Document Scandal




Vim: Biden's classified document "scandal" is nothing like Trump's.

Vig: There seems to be a desperate need for each side to do whatever they can to make their leaders seem less culpable… I just don’t buy into it.

They’re all criminals. Pretending one is less guilty doesn’t make the other guy look more guilty.


Well first of all, yeah. But, there IS such a thing as severity. It's a shade of grey. Trump's document violations appear far more severe than Biden's. I would have no problem with Biden being held fully accountable to the law for his document violations, but it would be fair if it was less severe than Trump's, because Biden cooperated, etc.

Secondly, most people I know feel the same and would be happy to see Biden face the music for his document issues. He's not a cult figure and people do not have to reflexively defend him. Yeah, I voted for him, but it's clear he's in statutory violation. Why would I pretend otherwise?

That's what Trump supporters should do, too.




04-04-23 1:01  •  Trump Indicted


Norma: Finally! A New York D.A. has indicted Trump in the Stormy Daniels coverup!

Harpy: It's an extraordinarily weak case.

Do you think the evidence presented is insufficient to support the allegations or the legal arguments are flawed?


Harpy: First thing standing out was "in furtherance of other crimes" no naming of "other crimes". Statute of limitations is past. This will fall flat on a number of points.

Well, maybe. New York has the ability to extend the statute of limitations if the defendant has lived out of state and Trump has been in DC and Florida. I think the real concern is that the "other crimes" are not necessarily crimes in New York statutes but instead are federal crimes, and the legal basis for referring to federal crimes as "other crimes" in state charges is unclear. According to the "rule of lenity" this kind of legal ambiguity is usually found in favor of the defendant. So, this version could fail.

But, Trump is still a piece of shit criminal and he absolutely did everything they say he did. He absolutely obstructed justice at least ten times as described in the Mueller Report; he absolutely tried to extort Zelensky in Ukraine over the phone; he absolutely lied over 30,000 times while in office and lied about the election being stolen and tried to overturn the election and hyped up people to attack the nation's capitol on his behalf and is still trying to do it. His political wins are a loss to the safety and strength of the country.

So, if this indictment is unsupportable and fails, hurray for due process! But his supporters should still stop supporting him because he will continue to break the law and that's bad for the country.



Norma: He should be disqualified from running again now!

Harpy: That's guilty until proven innocent.

Let me simplify it. Your dog runs in front of a car. You take it to the vet. The vet decides you beat your dog. You get charged with animal cruelty. You are found not guilty in court. Should you not get your dog back? Should you still be barred from getting a dog just because you were charged?


If there are a great many suspicious dog accidents in your custody, with loads of evidence and future much worse dog cruelty trials awaiting...maybe you shouldn't be "barred from getting a dog" but the community should see what kind of a sicko you are and you should not be able to get *elected* dogcatcher.


Harpy: Changing the narrative doesn't really work. What you are doing is assuming guilt regardless. We do not have a justice system that presumes guilt until proven innocent.

No, I never said he should be found guilty on this indictment regardless. If it wasn't illegal or the charges don't hold up, I said hurray for due process, remember?

What I am saying is, even if he walks, he 100% had the affair and paid off the porn star and set up his lawyer and did many other horrendous things including *treason.* Voters don't need the justice system to determine whether that happened - it occurred right in front of them. Instead of high-fiving every time Trump evades accountability, his voters should be able to see that he is a scumbag traitor and desert him in droves. Instead, he is getting political support *because* he's a scumbag.

That's not good for our political system.



Harpy: You are really reaching here. Treason?

That is what my husband, Army Ranger and paratrooper who swore to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic, calls it. So yeah. He should know.

But let's be honest, does it really take a court of law to determine that Trump is a scumbag? I don't think anyone really disagrees. I think some want the scumbag on their side, to cheat and lie on their behalf. But there is nobody who doesn't know what Trump is by now.



Harpy: Ha! I have military in my family and they would disagree.

Look it up in the dictionary then.

trea·son
noun
noun: treason; noun: high treason; plural noun: high treasons

the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.





04-03-23 4:55  •  Guns, Still Again and Always


XMV: Another mass shooting, at a Christian school. We need stricter gun laws!

SGL: Yes because criminals ALWAYS follow laws and are NEVER able to obtain anything that's illegal. They'll just fall right into line on this one single topic.

Many people who are not criminals *yet* but are a couple of tragedies away from losing their minds WOULD be deterred, and then there wouldn't be a gun handy when they do.

The point of stiffer laws is to make it harder. When stuff is illegal it has to be done secretly. You have to know someone sketchy or ask around, and it's much more expensive and risky. You might get caught at several points along the way. That would deter some people. Making guns harder to get would mean that people had fewer of them too. Also ammo more expensive and hard to get, so less gun fetishism. Fewer guns would not solve every problem but it would be better.



SGL: Gun regulation doesn't work.

As Harpy is happy to explain, machine guns have only been used for crimes 3 times in the last century, because the laws are so very strict. All guns that are as dangerous as machine guns should be regulated as thoroughly as machine guns.


XMV: What would work?

Gun violence in the U.S. is a public health crisis that no other nation faces. It's not just a part of life we must accept - it's a result of our policies. But we're not getting enough in return to justify the cost in lives.

Here is what we should be doing:

1. Re-instate the assault weapons ban and broaden it to include similar weapons which were previously excluded. This prohibits the *manufacture* of these weapons which will greatly reduce their proliferation. Also bans on the commercial manufacture of their ammunition.

2. Require high levels of security clearance and strict regulations on gun ownership, including higher security for larger collections.

3. Direct a national public awareness campaign explaining that law-abiding citizens can still own a gun, but commonsense regulations will reduce gun violence and make them safer than a gun would.

4. Large cash reward gun buybacks, with bigger rewards for more dangerous weapons and ammo. The seized weapons should be destroyed. The aim is to have millions fewer of these weapons in existence. Yes, black markets will still exist for these weapons but they will be much more expensive, hard to find, and easy to track.

5. Large scale criminal justice reform. Our crime problems are not a natural part of life we must accept either. We can greatly reduce crime with fairer economics and better social support, positive police interaction, focused risk policing, and de-escalation intervention. Policing can be super-smart and community-focused instead of the blunt instrument it is now and crime rates would plummet. The psychological urge to protect oneself at all costs would be greatly reduced and this would decrease demand for personal weapons.

It's far from impossible or unreasonable.



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